Nick Pope on the ADX Files

Nick Pope has been interviewed on The ADX Files radio show with Alyson Dunlop, see: https://www.spreaker.com/user/enemywithinradio/adx-100-nick-pope.

Not the Burnley and England goalkeeper I'm afraid! I mean of course the Nick Pope, the one and only Nick Pope, the UFO expert extraordinaire bar none. This comes just a few days after Peter Robbins was on the same show, see: http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2018/09/peter-robbins-on-adx-files.html. There's an interesting connection here because it was following an interview I did with Peter in the old CMR days when he was sticking up for Larry Warren, see: https://hpanwo-radio.blogspot.com/2014/10/programme-109-podcast-peter-robbins.html, that I asked Nick Pope if he wanted to be a guest on the HPANWO Show too so that I could hear his side of the story. I intended to conduct the interview in a polite and professional manner; after all I am pro-unconditional free speech. He declined, telling me that he was too busy with other things at that moment. Obviously since then his workload must have eased significantly because he was only too pleased to be on the ADX Files.

In the background links I provide more information on "the man from the ministry" or "Britain's Fox Mulder" and the many other names he travels under. His Royal Popeness occupies a unique position being one of the few official government UFOlogists in the world and the pundit everybody in the media has on speed-dial whenever a UFO story is passed over the news desk. He begins the interview by taking about the Phoenix Lights, the Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Programme and the To The Stars Academy. He makes some good points about the subjects. Nevertheless he does it with typical Papal caution, dropping tacit disclaimers every few sentences. It would be nice if there could be the congressional hearings he talks about; indeed this is what Stephen Bassett has called for, see: https://hpanwo-radio.blogspot.com/2013/05/programme-45-podcast-citizen-hearing.html. But would other people be allowed to testify along with Pope? Like the people who testified at the Citizen Hearing? This would be the bombshell I'd like to see. Nick then points out another opinion he shares with Steve Bassett, that things would have been a lot better for UFO-related matters if Hilary Clinton had won the 2016 election and become the US President. According to Bassett she was "the Disclosure President" and her defeat was a massive setback for the advocacy process. However, Nick leaves the door ajar for President Trump. I personally have swung it wide open, which is where I clash with Steve, see: https://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.com/2016/12/ufo-disclosure-2016-what-about-trump.html. Nick then delves into the area of SETI- the Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence. He believes that the upcoming switch-on of the Square Kilometre Array, a huge radio telescope operating from two sites in Australia and South Africa, might provide a breakthrough for the discovery of intelligent life out there in the universe. As I describe here: https://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.com/2018/02/seti-and-ufos.html, that revelation would have a knock-on bonus effect for UFOlogy. Nick then moves on to his speciality, the declassification of the British Ministry of Defence UFO files. Nick does not believe there is anything revolutionary among them because if there was they would have told him, wouldn't they? After all, he ran the MoD's Secretariat AS-2A, the UFO desk. Personally, if I had a "saucer in a hangar", to use his catchphrase, Nick Pope, the public face of the UFO phenomenon who is always on television, would be the last person on earth I would tell. He subsequently quotes another of his clichés: "We can't rule it out."

After forty-eight minutes, the subject of Larry Warren comes up. Alyson introduces it by calling it "the Warren fraud" which is hardly unbiased and also legally inaccurate. We are still waiting patiently for Larry to be convicted of fraud by any description. As I've said before, see the background links, I find it very strange that Nick Pope is shoving in his twopence-worth on this matter. I had assumed that it would be far beneath his usual list of priorities. Nick then claims that the "Larry Warren fraud" has been exposed over a year ago, despite the fact that researchers including myself have comprehensively disputed that there was any fraud at all, see: http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2016/12/is-larry-warren-fraud.html. Despite this, he uses the word "fraud" twice while opening his case. Interestingly, just before this matter is tabled Nick confirms that government files relating to the Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident of 1980 were improperly destroyed. He claims that this was not a conspiracy and was just an inadvertent confusion over file names. As reason for this he cites John Alexander, a man who has curious connections to the 9/11 attacks, see: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2015/07/hellyer-checks-evidence.html. He claims "most of (Warren's testimony) was made up" and the rest was stolen from other people. If by "other people" he means Adrian Bustinza, I've explained why I don't think this is true, see: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2018/07/ben-emlyn-jones-on-ghostly-hour-podcast.html. He reckons "Warren lies effortlessly... If he told you it was a sunny day we would all instinctively reach for our umbrellas!... How can you tell Warren is lying? His lips are moving!" He really thinks that rhetoric like that can replace rational argument. Sadly, for too many people, it often does. Nick then repeats a truly stupid accusation that the film Capel Green is trying to "rebrand" the Rendlesham Forest incident when this is simply false. He calls Capel Green "shameful!" and in doing so joins Col. Halt, Peter Robbins and dozens of others in presenting a precognitive review... Perhaps he would be so kind as to give me a tip for the 2.30 at Doncaster. He then accuses Gary Heseltine of knowingly promoting a false story or presenting one that he ought to know was false after "three and a half seconds of checking!" However this is a gross misrepresentation of Gary's research project into this case which has run parallel to my own and has reached many of the same conclusions: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-larry-warren-controversy-part-22.html. He compares Larry's case to the Roswell Slides when I detail in the background links below how that is totally unfair. He says the UFO community will be furious when they find out that Gary and others, which includes myself of course, are trying to con them. However, a full house at the recent UFO Truth Magazine conference in Holmfirth would suggest otherwise, see here for details: (coming soon). Pope's defamation reaches a new nadir when he states that Gary has a "problem with women", in other words: misogyny. In this day and age such an accusation is only one notch up from paedophilia or terrorism; and I consider this a slanderous attack on Gary's character. No doubt Pope includes me in this, being the other principle Larry Warren researcher. He says that Gary is only out to "make a buck" off the UFO community and I suppose he thinks that is original... He also then adds Larry to the list of women-haters along with reiterating the nasty slur Col. Halt mentioned in 2014, that Larry is a drug addict. He also calls him an alcoholic. Like Peter Robbins, he passes judgement on Larry's living arrangements with Sacha Christie, when he was not there and so does not know a thing about what really went on. And surely there is no need for me to discredit the memorabilia and threats again. They are a lie and I've explained why so many times in my Larry Warren research project. In the last part of his interview Nick states which UFO events he thinks are truly unexplained and then Alyson asks if humans are ready for ET contact. He answers "yes and no." He then gives his own view of how Disclosure would affect the world and human society. I feel quite horrified by Nick Pope's conduct during this interview. What he said about Larry Warren is merely what he has repeated before, or rather what Sacha Christie has repeated before. However I have never heard him smear Gary Heseltine on such a vicious personal level. He clearly means me too when he says "and others" several times. I would like to think that the UFO community would recoil from Pope in the same way I feel like doing as a result of his wickedness, but I've discovered to my dismay that this community suffers from endemic indifference, see here for details: https://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.com/2017/12/is-there-any-hope.html. Clearly Sacha Christie is not a government disinformer. She is simply motivated by a personal grudge. However she may have inadvertently hit the right note, the one that the government want to amplify. I think this explains the interference of Nick Pope.

See here for background: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2018/01/nick-pope-is-not-shill.html.

And: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2017/07/the-larry-warren-controversy-part-19.html.

And: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-larry-warren-controversy-part-20.html.

And: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2016/10/new-government-ufo-files-censored.html.

And: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2017/06/infiltration-of-ufology.html.