As I said, this was an event I had previously decided to
skip, for the usual reasons- a lack of time and money. Then the same thing
happened as did with Probe two weeks back, see: http://hpanwo.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/probe-autumn-2014.html,
somebody offered by buy me a ticket. This was a different person to the
individual who funded my trip to Probe, but again, I felt a bit embarrassed; a
part of me wondered if it was ethical to accept. However I did, yet again, and
my benefactor was very pleased. Once I knew I was going I fervently looked
forward to it; beforehand I’d been indifferent. David Icke has probably been
the most influential man on my life, being the lighthouse in the fog of my
emerging conspiratorial awareness. However I feel in a way that I’ve moved on
from him. Can I make that statement without it sounding like I’m knocking Icke?
Truly I’m not. I’m still just as much a supporter of his ideas as I was back in
2000; I still have just as much respect for him now as I did then. I simply
feel like I’ve gone far enough out to sea now that I don’t need his lighthouse
as much as I used to; I’ve cleared the fog bank and can now set my sails for the
open ocean. I don’t feel the need to catch
every radio and TV spot he’s on and listen to it over and over; it’s just
something I like doing occasionally. Therefore I was watching David’s 2014
Wembley appearance from a very different vantage point as I did his 2002 gig at
Stoke-on-Trent, the first time I saw him live on stage. I think almost
everybody who gets to know Icke at some point changes their mind about him, but
with most people it’s a very different experience to my own. In 2007 to 2009 I
went to a series of four or five “meet-ups” in places like Glastonbury, the
Peak District and Avebury. These were organized by members of the Official David
Icke Forum on which I used to be a regular poster, see: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/index.php.
However the forum has badly declined and our community is fragmented; there was
a highly controversial incident in which a number of innocent members were
banned and that was when I lost interest in it. I still log in occasionally,
but spend very little time there. In June 2014 I attended a new meet-up at The Barge Inn, Wiltshire to celebrate
the summer solstice; the weather was perfect and we all got on very well and had
a great time. Interestingly most of the people I met there were the same faces
that used to go to the meet-ups in the grand old days of the DIF; however this
time there was not a kind word for David Icke from any of them, and some people
expressed open hostility for him. How did this happen? A lot of it definitely
comes from the DIF scandal, an issue I sympathize with along with them. “Haitigate”,
too; this was when we discovered that David Icke’s T-shirts were made by a
company called Gildan Activewear which is a notorious third world sweatshop
manufacturer; it employs a workforce of low-paid slave labour in Haiti and
other poor countries, see: http://socialistworker.org/2013/05/01/sweatshop-development-in-haiti.
We wondered why David didn’t use a Fairtrade business for his merchandise,
seeing as this would be in line with what he preaches; a just criticism I think,
and David has some explaining to do. From what I’ve seen, David’s personal blame
lies more in oversight than deception; he set up an account with Cafepress who are
the ones who directly buy Gildan products under their own policy and sell them
on to their clients. I hope David listens to what people have said regarding
this matter and makes the necessary changes to his business. There are also
numerous conspiratorial researchers who accuse David of being a shill. This is
hardly original; I myself have been labelled thus many times. Altogether this
has resulted in a mutual back-slapping culture in which it’s very trendy to be
anti-Icke; it’s almost seen as a badge of honour, see: http://hpanwo.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/is-it-cool-to-be-anti-icke.html.
However, the biggest blow to David’s reputation was The People’s Voice. This was a multimedia organization set up
around an internet TV station that was launched in November 2013, yet within a
year it was in terminal decline. The reasons for this are complicated and
contentious and lie beyond the scope of this article, yet it’s sad because TPV
was such a great idea; I contributed myself through Planet X Live. A highly
divisive situation has arisen from the ashes of TPV and some very shrill pundits
are proclaiming that David is to blame for all this and he won’t accept
responsibility. One constant criticism that has followed David since the
earliest days is that everything he’s doing is a “money-making scam”. Amazingly
people claimed this even when he left his job as a famous TV journalist to do
what he’s doing now. Some people reckon that he’s making a pile of cash off his
Wembley gig for charging forty pounds a ticket. Perhaps these people don’t
realize how much it costs to hire the SSE Arena; it’s not like booking a room
above a pub. Actually forty quid is very good value when you consider that this
was a twelve hour show. In a few weeks’ time my daughter is going to the same SSE
Arena to see the band Slipknot performing live and she had to pay over a hundred pounds for her ticket, and it’s
only a three hour concert. As is always the case when the self-appointed
armchair Truth policemen pick up the scent on one of their little hobby horses,
you have to agree with them… or else!
There are many other examples, eg: http://guerrillademocracy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/so-fatso-ben-emlyn-jones-wants-to-have.html
and: http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/miragemengate.html.
So how should we regard David Icke? I regard him as a man, and like all men,
including me and you too, dear HPANWO-reader, he is fallible and flawed. David
Icke makes mistakes, suffers from failures of nerve and imagination, and he
makes moral compromises. Every single one of those who sit in judgement and
pontificate over his character are guilty of the very same offences; I’d be amused
to hear them try and deny it. I think maybe the problem some of David’s
erstwhile admirers have is that they put him on a pedestal he did not deserve. They
saw him as so wonderful that when he turned out to have the same imperfections
that all human beings share, they felt betrayed. My advantage was that I don’t think
I ever saw him as anything more than human, even in the early days. Therefore
the question I have, and the one I recommend asking, is: can you accept David
warts and all? Do his various misdemeanours, whether perceived or factual, mean
that all the other good things he’s ever said and done are therefore worthless?
Or can you listen, think about, and take what you need from his message while withholding
condemnation. Can you understand the value of his labours while accepting his
errors? I reckon I can manage that.
See here for a HPANWO
TV reportage of the event: (Coming soon)
An article by Ustane about David Icke: http://spreadingtheword-now.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/first-they-ridicule-you-first.html.
An article by Ustane about David Icke: http://spreadingtheword-now.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/first-they-ridicule-you-first.html.
9 comments:
The fact that David is human - with all the inherent "faults and misdemenours" of the human condition, does not detract one iota, for me, the profound message he conveys, nor the enlightening information he has researched over the years; in fact, the knowledge that he shares all our erroneous characteristics, albeit with passionate good intentions, helps me resonate with him all the more.....as that is exactly where I am at right now :)
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Well said, Susan. Me too :-)
like the saying goes dont shoot the messenger and wow what a messenger he has been over the so many years , the more people spreading the truth and love the better , bring it on .
Absolutely, Nicholas 8-)
I first saw him in 2005, a DVD of his 2003 brixton talk. Since,I have watched hundreds of talks/interviews, books, I admire him more as time goes on.
M.Gandhi and D.icke are my only 2 true hero's.
As for the forums, they are poisoned and I rarely bother with them anymore, it's a shame.
Yeah, something about forums turns people into dicks
Dear Ben. Thank's for your recent Youtube video covering the David Icke event, I enjoyed your views. I particularly felt relevant when you discuss 'moving on' from David Icke (Sorry if that sounded like I was implying that you and David had been in a long term loving relationship!!!!!). Anyway, I think you raise an important point that many people miss. People help mold us in our formative stages be they as children developing into adults or as in your case and mine as adults into more aware beings which can 'appear' to happen instantly or over 'time'. For instance there was an individual who was a profound influence on me during my awakening process and for those formative years I am indebted to him because although I have 'moved on' and became in a way his spiritually older sibling now we must not dismiss their relevance as it is on returning to the source of our growth that we truly understand the totality of our experience and learn things we missed before. There are two concepts in Chinese philosophy called 'xiangshang' and 'xiangxia' which mean 'up/upward/beyond/ascending' and 'down/downward/descending'. They have the meaning of rising above (xiangshang) everything that is conditioned (duality) and then returning back into the conditioned with a mind that is beyond discrimination and attachment but with infinite wisdom and means to not only help and guide others who helped us but also to put another peice to the puzzle which may be incomplete in the other individual. We are all human until we shed this skin bag and can rise to the occasion of seeing through the fabric of our limited perception. Those that only ascend and are not able to return downward are I find very judgemental, the most imperfect and those that are liable not to progress. If we should be grateful even to those who have meant to harm us but we have grown stronger from then how much more so to those who have meant to help with or without their own personal faults?. Thanks again. Take care Ben
You're welcome, X. (David and I are going through divorce proceedings as we speak) I suppose it's a bit like my daughter. She's a big 19 year old now and I don't see her very often, about once a week. She's happy with that because I'm close by if she needs me. When she was younger she needed me around much more of course. I remember the ascending and descending pathways from reading Ken Wilber. That's a good way of looking at David and what he does in his entirety. It helps understand how to avoid feeling resentment for him. All the best :-)
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