See here for
essential background: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/save-8th.html.
The so-called "pro-choice" faction of Irish society
has won by a landslide in the referendum to repeal the Eighth Amendment to the
Irish Constitution. Essential and hard-won civil rights will now be withdrawn
from all human beings in Ireland Ireland Scotland Free
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23 comments:
"It's time for another Easter Rising, Ireland, and this time finish the job!" Ben, the sentiment is appreciated but it is, very unfortunately, a false hope. Ireland is now the epicentre of the New World Order and the Irish, as was said, matter-of-factly, to me yesterday in Dublin, "are happy."
My belief is that the Clinton administration (round the time of the Good Friday Agreement) hatched a diabolical plot with the CIA to test a new, soft, approach to warfare: taking over a country by stealth, without recourse to bombing into oblivion ("cultural terra-forming", if you will). Endless referenda to dismantle the family, US internet/pharmaceutical giants, corporate tax havens, political and media homogeneity (Cultural Marxism), abortion on demand, open hostility towards tradition. The trial has worked, spectacularly so; expect a repeat elsewhere (coming to a country near you, as it were).
For me, I have been dipping in and out of HPANWO over the past year, although I have not commented - living in the New World Order does not leave much energy for anything other than survival when one is not a, "believer" (all part of the plan, of course).
Hi Ben,
It seems you are a passionate man, that goes without saying. But why are protesting in another country, when abortions happen all across Great Britain? I took a friend to an abortion clinic many years ago. My girlfriend was with us, too. It was a two hour drive and the poor lass was crying her eyes out all the way. She was too young to have children and she was only about 11 weeks pregnant when we went. She was 17 and attractive, bubbly and full of life so to see he sobbing in the back seat broke our hearts. My GF took her to the clinic and I drove off and she'd ring me when it was time to go home. The way home was grim, she seemed relieved but horrified. She was part of a catholic (non-practising) family and her family could never know. She couldn't take this in her stride and she couldn't hide the pain she felt. Others noticed and wondered what was wrong. She would lie and cry her eyes out. It took her a long time to recover mentally. I will reiterate that she couldn't have a child at her age, she had a bright future ahead. I don't think you understand the implications of what you say.
There are two sides to every story.
Andrew
Andrew, the question I would then have to ask you is: If you were the child conceived, would YOU be willing to commit suicide in order to help that girl out of her situation? Yes, it's an awful predicament she faced. I wonder why she could not tell her family. A family should be the first place to turn for support when something like that happens. Was killing the child the only option? No; there were others. She could have given the baby away to adopted by another family. There are many couples who cannot have children and long for the opportunity to take the baby out of this situation. It doesn't surprise me that the girl was mentally damaged by what she did. Feminists tell women termination is something they should take in their stride which is why women are often unprepared for the heartbreak is causes. Some women mentally torture themselves their whole lives over abortions they've had.
What Ben says is the truth Andrew, having worked in hospitals for years with first-hand experience, Ben should know. Perhaps you were not to know, Andrew, but a real friend would not have acted the way you did. That the Irish were repeatedly told of the consequences that Ben alludes to and still refused to listen horrifies me to the bone; the extent of the NWO rot in this benighted land is chilling.
Are you for real? A fetus at 11 weeks cannot have abstract thoughts about life or death/suicide. Do 11 week old fetuses even have much of a brain? Maybe enough to keep the heart beating and metabolism, working. Why don't you protest against people in GB who use abortion? I'm glad they won in Ireland and it pegs back even more the vile catholic church whose priest should ever have a say over something like this. As the saying goes "If you don't play the game, don't make the rules." Could go for you as well as it is not your business, when would it ever ever you?
Andrew
Andrew, in that case why would you not object to somebody killing YOU six months ago? you see how ridiculous and unjust this is? And why do you bring in the Catholic Church as if advocacy for the rights of the youngest citizens is supporting the Church?
Andrew, you are word for word repeating the shrill slogans of the abortionists during the Irish referendum. Ben's ad absurdum argument, by contrast, is correct, philosophically; why not a referendum on the right to life of politicians?
Andrew has posted more comments that I have not published because they are abusive. This is not an act of censorship; it is because of his misconduct.
Hello Ben, much appreciated re. Andrew's comments - the vitriol, bile, and hate from the intolerant liberal left towards pro-lifers over the past 3 months in Ireland has left me feeling quite ill (literally).
An interesting phenomenon to report: there has been a huge (unreported) absenteeism rate in Ireland since the weekend referendum vote (Monday rush hour on the motorway was eerily quiet, for example). Pro-life GPs and the dysfunctional HSE (Irish NHS) will be unable to cope. "All is changed, changed utterly; A terrible beauty is born."
Ben, is it not the case that right wingers are so compassionate about the foetus but never the child? Why do you think this is? Jacob Rees-Mogg is an example. He seems to care so much about the unborn yet quite happy to allow child poverty and misery. I'd love to hear your take on this contradiction. Cheers. Adrian
Ben, you have to read this new article: link. I would be very interested in what you make of it, considering your knowledge of both the referendum and witches; personally, I believe 'Zappo' (a Canadian) to be a NWO plant, placed in Ireland to work to undermine society and create a NWO hell (Zappo is in line for a bonus if that is the case!).
Thanks for the info, Laurence. I don't know a lot about Wicca, however this person's connections to the "pro-choice" campaign is suspicious. I wonder if her organization has any connections to the Lucis Trust at the UN. The New Age is often thought of as an anti-establishment alternative to the dominent religions, but it is merely controlled opposition in most cases. I've known some truly nasty New Age people, one in particular of the "pagan feminist" variety was particularly destructive.
Ben, are you not going to address Adrian's concerns? I expect the reason why you have ignored his salient points is simply because you don't have an answer. Bit poor considering you run a unique organisation such as HAPWNO.
Delta
Hello Ben, many thanks; the very dubiously named Luc[ifer]is trust is of interest. This Zappone character is equally dubious; a lesbian parachuted from Canada into a marginal, crime ridden, constituency of a God-forsaken edge city on the outskirts of Dublin, 'Zappo the Witch' [my name] has set about changing the Irish Constitution in three ways (in order):
(1) The Children's Rights Referendum (2012) designed to transfer parental rights over children from natural parents to the state;
(2) 34th Amendment (2015), the so-called same sex marriage referendum, which was designed, primarily to redefine the 'Family' in the Constitution thus giving authority to the State to determine what constitutes a family;
(3) The abortion referendum (2018) designed to remove ALL human rights from the unborn (the unborn now have less human rights than some unborn wildlife in Ireland).
These referenda have all taken place directly after the intervention of the IMF, World Bank, ECB, Bilderberg, etc et al. following the bank collapse in Ireland. The Irish State politicians, literally, sold the soul of Ireland to the NWO; we now know the true price of the "bailout".
Delta. Fair enough, I was planing to but forgot. I don't believe JRM is unconcerned by child poverty. In fact children will be a lot better off under his leadership that Teresa May's. He will stop dithering with Brexit, create jobs and strengthen family bonds, all things that benefit children.
Ben, I'm sorry but your response here sounds very glib. Mogg has said he finds the use of food banks "uplifting" and he is one of the more doctrinaire supporters of permanent austerity. If praising institutional poverty that his love of foodbanks imply isn’t a scathing indictment of austerity in itself – and, for the likes of Rees-Mogg, 4 million children living in poverty, or homelessness doubling since 2010, isn’t either – then what about the United Nations report that found the actions of the Tory government to be in violation of the UN convention on the rights of persons with disabilities, as well as UK legislation? Or the study by the IMF – the architects of austerity – admitting that austerity does more harm than good? Mogg as PM will see child poverty soar make no mistake. He is totally against state intervention to alleviate poverty and he has voted against a bill to make landlords responsible to make homes fit for human habitation. Mogg wants to return to Victorian laissez-faire whereby the markets and banks will be more unfettered more than they are now even, and workers will have zero rights, welfare will be slashed and private health introduced and a return to slum landlordism. This is Mogg's vision for the future of Britain. He would also like to abolish abortions on demand massively increasing child poverty further. Ben I'm afraid your response saying he will create jobs, when even the best analysts and people like Farage arnt sure about that, will help children is just not good enough. Post Brexit if Mogg becomes PM he will certainly reduce working tax credits, childcare and possibly remove wage controls effectively ending the minimum wage. He'll argue that wealth trickles down so we need to increase wealth at the top. Economists even on the right know that trickle down is a myth but that won't bother Mogg.
Thanks,
Adrian
Could not agree more Ben. Like you, I have noticed how the arguments of the intolerant liberal left are superficially persuasive, in this case Delta's false premise that the MP in question is unconcerned with child poverty etc. Tackle the false premise and the rest of the argument falls apart.
Absolutely false, Adrian. JRM will create a new golden age in Britain by finally and decisively freeing us from the jackboot on the authoritarian continental oppressor! As an independent nation Britain will be free to move forward on our own terms and negotiate bilateral trade deals that are beneficial to us.
Laurence. They are indeed superficially persuasive. When I was a teenager and new in the NHS I became a trade unionist. Luckily I saw through it very quickly.
Hi Ben, thanks for your reply. Why though is my analysis false? What I've said is in fact all true and documented. Saying Mogg will create a golden age is a huge leap of faith. How would Mogg as PM increase wages for hospital porters and other low paid workers? The low paid do not register with people like Mogg. He'd no doubt argue that hospital porters should learn new skills etc and find better paid employment. If portering is so important then why not pay them more? Mogg believes in a Randian caste type system where there is no safety net and the poor become the new untouchables. He is not a One Nation Conservative.
And Ben, support for trade unions, workers rights, being opposed to child poverty and Victorian era laissez-faire Tories like Mogg does not make one liberal-left. Liberal leftism is seen by most as obsession with minority issues and NOT about economic disenfranchisement. Looking back over the past one hundred years where do you think ordinary working people would be without trade unions? I'd really love to hear your answer, rather than rhetorical pro Mogg soundbites.
Thank you
Adrian, by "Randian" do you mean in accordance with Ayn Rand? Have you read Atlas Shrugged? It's very long but worth the effort. I've written a review on the main HPANWO site. I was once a trade unionist but became disillusioned with the labour movement very quickly. These days all they care about are having black and Asian or LGBT awareness weekends, and generally trying to persuade white heterosexual males of how unspeakably EEEEEEEEEvil! we are, but when it comes to a good old-fashioned scrap they shrink like violets.
Adrian, you are at this false premise business again, viz. "support for trade unions, workers rights, being opposed to child poverty and Victorian era laissez-faire Tories". In order, as follows:
(1) Support for trade unions: as Ben says, trade union in name only these days;
(2) Worker's rights: if anything, Labour and the liberal-left are anti-white working class, actively so (they're all racist, don't you know);
(3) Being opposed to child poverty: show me the evidence that the MP in question, or indeed anyone, is in favour of child poverty;
(4) Victorian era laissez-faire: what on earth is a Victorian laissez-faire Tory? Can you name any Tory from the Victorian era without the help of a search engine?
I'll repeat: intolerant liberal-left, superficially persuasive, but very shaky foundation-wise arguments.
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