I returned to Conway Hall for another esoteric event, this
time hosted by the London Fortean Society, a group I have always liked and I have
been to many of their public meetings, for example: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2018/02/ian-ridpath-at-fortean-london.html
and: https://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.com/2020/01/a-skeptics-guide-to-aliens.html.
Conway Hall was also the scene of one of the best one-day conferences ever, the
British Humanist Association Conspiracy Theory Conference in which the late
great Ian R Crane truly shone out, see: https://hpanwo.blogspot.com/2011/09/british-humanist-association-conspiracy.html.
This was a more modest affair in one of the smaller rooms; an afternoon of discussions
about conspiracy theory. It was organized by Prof. Chris French and Deborah
Hyde and was therefore very skeptical. There were four speakers, Jonn Elledge,
James Ball, Brent Lee and Frenchie himself. Excuse me if I save myself some
time and effort, but being an expert in skepticology and a connoisseur of the
skeptispherical conference circuit, I heard very little information today that I
have not heard before; therefore I will focus on the new information and
provide you with background links for any material I have covered previously. Both
Elledge and French were selling new books on the stall and they both have very
provocative titles containing strong language. Jonn's is called: Conspiracy- A History of Bollocks Theories
and How Not to Fall for Them... not really very equivocal in his views
there is he? He ran through the history of conspiracy theory, with a bit of
humour, as he says. The first historically recorded conspiracy theory was far
more ancient than I thought, it was way back in 19 AD. The Roman Caesar Germanicus
predicted his own assassination. This emperor, after whom the country Michael
Shrimpton believes is behind the New World Order is named, was allegedly killed
by a conspiracy led by someone called Gnaeus Calpurnius Piso, but the suspect
committed suicide just before his trial, or did he? Interestingly this was
exactly two thousand years before Jeffrey Epstein. In the early 19th century
there was a conspiracy theory that cholera was spread deliberately by poison
administered by (insert your chosen nominee for who causes all the world's evil
here). Of course cholera is really caused by a toxic bacterium that grows in
dirty water, as we later found out. The point being that history generally
proves conspiracy theories to be false, but not always of course. Just try
Googling: "conspiracy theories proven true". The issue of missing
history is something I've not made my mind up about. The theory of
"Tartaria" or the "mud flood" is very popular among flat
earthers, of which I am not one; but I must admit there's something to it. This
is even though its claim is utterly astonishing, that history literally before
the mid 20th century is a sham. This video contains most of the best information,
see: https://www.bitchute.com/video/M3EnybRMuGbR/.
Another thing I found astonishing is that allegedly Bertrand Russell started
questioning the official story of the Kennedy assassination shortly before his
death in 1969. That surprised me. Russell is famous for being the ultimate
atheo-skeptiko-materialist. Readers of HPANWO will know him best for being a
massive MBAer, see: https://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.com/2013/09/andrew-copson-mba.html.
Maybe he fell off the wagon in his twilight years. See here for Jonn's blog: https://jonnelledge.wordpress.com.
James Ball is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist who is
best known for his work with WikiLeaks and Edward Snowden. Despite his
awareness therefore that conspiracies and lies exist, he has written a new book
which I unfortunately cannot name because Blogger has started imposing the same
censorship as the rest of mainstream social media, but it concerns the subject I
have nicknamed "P*R", see: https://hpanwo.blogspot.com/2022/08/pr-portal.html.
He takes a very dim view of belief in this matter. What really made me sit up
was that he suspects that an intelligence service made an attempt to recruit
him. He was groomed while he was at university, which is the usual method. He
didn't say which agency it was and it's possible he does not know. "Talent
scouts" don't usually go up to you and say: "Hey, buddy. Ever fancied
a career in MI6?" No, it's far more subtle than that. I describe the
process in fictional form here: https://hpanwo-bb.blogspot.com/2021/04/the-obscurati-chronicles-sample-fourth.html.
See here for James' website: https://www.jamesrball.com.
Chris French's new book is entitled: The
Science of Weird Shit- Why Our Minds Conjure the Paranormal. It's strange
how in the last few years it has become acceptable to swear in book titles. In
fact the aforementioned James Ball has a book called Post-Truth- How Bullshit Conquered the World. Stephen Law also has
a book out with the BS-word in the title. French brought up one thing I'd not
heard of before. Apparently some skeptics decided to pull a Carlos hoax about Red
Bull and tell the world that the slogan in the drink's advert: "Red Bull
gives you wings!" originated from a laboratory experiment in which Red
Bull was fed to rats and it made them literally grow vestigial wings on their
bodies; and of course it was all covered up by (insert your chosen nominee for who
causes all the world's evil here). Supposedly a large number of "buh-leevahz"
repeated this falsehood without question. I don't think I'd have fallen for it,
had I known. I wonder if Red Bull sued them. Somebody recently had to issue an
apology for saying incorrectly that the drink contains bull's sperm. See here
for Frenchie's profile at Goldsmiths: https://www.gold.ac.uk/psychology/staff/french/.
The most interesting speaker was Brent Lee. Brent is
somebody I've been following online for some time, in fact I knew him vaguely
over twenty years ago when he used to post on the old David Icke Forum. Brent
was once a fully fledged woo-woo like me, but during the 20-teens he began to
have doubts. In 2015 he dropped out of the online Truther world and by 2021 he decided
to speak out about his experiences becoming an ex-conspiracy theorist. Brent
became quite emotional as he spoke. He described his early life, experiencing
his mother's two divorces and the domestic violence of his first step-father.
Chris French didn't make this point in his speech today, but in the past he has
related that a troubled childhood in which the parents harm their child, or
fail to protect them from harm, can result in an increased tendency to believe
in conspiracy theories. I must admit this includes me, as I have explained
before, see: https://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.com/2012/09/centaur.html
and: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2023/10/am-i-gate-child.html.
However, just because this psychological condition may well be real, it does
not necessarily have any bearing on the factual nature, or otherwise, of what
we believe. It was nice to meet Brent and we got on well. He has received a lot
of aggravation from the online Conspirasphere which he does not deserve. I have
defended him wherever I can. He has taken a path which he believes is right;
while I have taken a different path. That does not make either of us "bad
people!"; we are trying to be sincere about how we see the world; and we're
both entitled to a bit of basic human compassion. People do not choose their
beliefs. See here for the programme he presents with Neil Sanders: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.com
and: https://www.tinfoilconfessions.com.
I talk about Brent in more detail here: https://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.com/2023/09/conspiracy-theory-deprogramming.html.
During the question and answer session at the end, a linguist
spoke out against the conspiracy theory that Latin is a constructed language.
It was allegedly invented by the Vatican
in the Middle Ages. I had not heard of this one either, but I'm guessing it's
related to the Tartaria theory. I have read in Mark Devlin's book about how
English is a constructed language, see: https://djmarkdevlin.com.
Ironically, since Mark wrote about this, serious scientists are now coming out
with information that makes him right... well, half right. English is not constructed in the same way as the ones
from JRR Tolkien's stories, but it was introduced to Britain as a second
language adopted deliberately by Celtic-speaking people, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLpgVEfy4mQ.
This event at Conway Hall had a friendly atmosphere, just like the 2011 BHA
conference. Deborah asked at one point: "Is anybody here a believer in
conspiracy theories?" and I raised my hand without hesitation. I felt no
insecurity doing that because nobody there showed me any hostility. The only
thing that disappointed me was that the cafe was cashless. Despite that I
really enjoyed this day and I'm glad I went.
See here for background: https://hpanwo.blogspot.com/2021/08/skeptics-portal.html.
And: https://hpanwo.blogspot.com/2013/02/crop-circle-challenge-2013.html.
And: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2017/08/seth-rich-murder-and-wikileaks.html.
And: https://hpanwo.blogspot.com/2023/11/jfk-portal.html.
See here for background: https://hpanwo.blogspot.com/2021/08/skeptics-portal.html.
And: https://hpanwo.blogspot.com/2013/02/crop-circle-challenge-2013.html.
And: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2017/08/seth-rich-murder-and-wikileaks.html.
And: https://hpanwo.blogspot.com/2023/11/jfk-portal.html.
And just to prove
Brent Lee really does exist and is not some MI5 deep fake, here he is!
5 comments:
"However, just because this psychological condition may well be real, it does not necessarily have any bearing on the factual nature, or otherwise, of what we believe."
This is so true and extends to personality (if you don't consider personality to be a psychological condition as well).
Facts are unchanged by the nature of the person expounding them. Even the most objectionable bigot can sometimes be right.
H Ben, nice breakdown of the event. Thanks bud. As an aside, I'm surprised Dom Joly wasn't there - he seems to be taking aim at all things 'conspiro' these days too. Incidentally, am not sure if you ever listen to the Sheepfarm podcasts? If "no" then I highly recommend their research, and they are funny to boot. But regardless, they did a deep dive into Mr Joly, and surprise, surprise, he is not who you probably think he is - or very jolly! Just sayin!
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Calpestavo68
Hi Gravity Mirror. Glad you made it over here. Thanks for the comment.
Hi Caplpestavo68. You're welcome. Glad you liked it. Dom Joly seems to be doing the rounds at Chez Skepper right now so he'd have been a good addition to the bill. He's very funny and would have made everybody laugh. Yes, I do follow the Sheep Farm, but not heard what they have to say about DJ yet. I went to his show when DJ came to Oxford and on HPANWO TV I've got a review of it.
I didn't know that. Thanks Ben, actually, can I be cheeky and ask for a link to that review? I'd love to read it.
In other news, Ian R Crane was a bit of a personal hero - I know one shouldn't have them, but for some inexplicable synchro-mystic reason we were very connected. I'd rather not go into exactly how, but trust me we were - so it was interesting you mentioned him at the start of your article. He really was a wonderful man, fearless and a true truth-seeker. And of course much missed!!! :-(
Calpestavo68
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