Not the
Burnley and
England
goalkeeper I'm afraid! I mean of course
the
Nick Pope, the one and only Nick Pope, the UFO expert extraordinaire bar none. This
comes just a few days after Peter Robbins was on the same show, see:
http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2018/09/peter-robbins-on-adx-files.html.
There's an interesting connection here because it was following an interview I
did with Peter in the old CMR days when he was sticking up for Larry Warren,
see:
https://hpanwo-radio.blogspot.com/2014/10/programme-109-podcast-peter-robbins.html,
that I asked Nick Pope if he wanted to be a guest on the HPANWO Show too so
that I could hear his side of the story. I intended to conduct the interview in
a polite and professional manner; after all I am pro-unconditional free speech.
He declined, telling me that he was too busy with other things at that moment. Obviously since then his workload must have eased significantly because he was only too pleased to
be on the ADX Files.
In the background links I provide more information on
"the man from the ministry" or "
Britain's
Fox Mulder" and the many other names he travels under. His Royal Popeness
occupies a unique position being one of the few official government UFOlogists
in the world and the pundit everybody in the media has on speed-dial whenever a
UFO story is passed over the news desk. He begins the interview by taking about
the Phoenix Lights, the Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Programme and the
To The Stars Academy. He makes some good points about the subjects.
Nevertheless he does it with typical Papal caution, dropping tacit disclaimers
every few sentences. It would be nice if there could be the congressional
hearings he talks about; indeed this is what Stephen Bassett has called for,
see:
https://hpanwo-radio.blogspot.com/2013/05/programme-45-podcast-citizen-hearing.html.
But would other people be allowed to testify along with Pope? Like the people
who testified at the Citizen Hearing? This would be the bombshell I'd like to
see. Nick then points out another opinion he shares with Steve Bassett, that
things would have been a lot better for UFO-related matters if Hilary Clinton
had won the 2016 election and become the
US
President. According to Bassett she was "the Disclosure President"
and her defeat was a massive setback for the advocacy process. However, Nick
leaves the door ajar for President Trump. I personally have swung it wide open,
which is where I clash with Steve, see:
https://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.com/2016/12/ufo-disclosure-2016-what-about-trump.html.
Nick then delves into the area of SETI- the Search for ExtraTerrestrial
Intelligence. He believes that the upcoming switch-on of the Square Kilometre
Array, a huge radio telescope operating from two sites in
Australia
and
South Africa,
might provide a breakthrough for the discovery of intelligent life out there in
the universe. As I describe here:
https://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.com/2018/02/seti-and-ufos.html,
that revelation would have a knock-on bonus effect for UFOlogy. Nick then moves
on to his speciality, the declassification of the British Ministry of Defence
UFO files. Nick does not believe there is anything revolutionary among them
because if there was they would have told him, wouldn't they? After all, he ran
the MoD's
Secretariat AS-2A,
the UFO desk. Personally, if I had a "saucer in a hangar", to use his
catchphrase, Nick Pope, the public face of the UFO phenomenon who is always on
television, would be the last person on earth I would tell. He subsequently quotes
another of his clichés: "We can't rule it out."
After forty-eight minutes, the subject of Larry Warren comes
up. Alyson introduces it by calling it "the
Warren
fraud" which is hardly unbiased and also legally inaccurate. We are still
waiting patiently for Larry to be convicted of fraud by any description. As
I've said before, see the background links, I find it very strange that Nick
Pope is shoving in his twopence-worth on this matter. I had assumed that it
would be far beneath his usual list of priorities. Nick then claims that the
"Larry Warren fraud" has been exposed over a year ago, despite the
fact that researchers including myself have comprehensively disputed that there
was any fraud at all, see:
http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2016/12/is-larry-warren-fraud.html.
Despite this, he uses the word "fraud" twice while opening his case. Interestingly,
just before this matter is tabled Nick confirms that government files relating
to the Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident of 1980 were improperly destroyed. He
claims that this was not a conspiracy and was just an inadvertent confusion
over file names. As reason for this he cites John Alexander, a man who has
curious connections to the 9/11 attacks, see:
https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2015/07/hellyer-checks-evidence.html.
He claims "most of (
Warren's
testimony) was made up" and the rest was stolen from other people. If by
"other people" he means Adrian Bustinza, I've explained why I don't
think this is true, see:
https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2018/07/ben-emlyn-jones-on-ghostly-hour-podcast.html.
He reckons "
Warren lies
effortlessly... If he told you it was a sunny day we would all instinctively
reach for our umbrellas!... How can you tell
Warren
is lying? His lips are moving!" He really thinks that rhetoric like that
can replace rational argument. Sadly, for too many people, it often does. Nick
then repeats a truly stupid accusation that the film
Capel Green is trying to "rebrand" the
Rendlesham
Forest incident when this is simply
false. He calls
Capel Green
"shameful!" and in doing so joins Col. Halt, Peter Robbins and dozens
of others in presenting a precognitive review... Perhaps he would be so kind as
to give me a tip for the 2.30 at
Doncaster. He then
accuses Gary Heseltine of knowingly promoting a false story or presenting one
that he ought to know was false after "three and a half seconds of
checking!" However this is a gross misrepresentation of
Gary's
research project into this case which has run parallel to my own and has
reached many of the same conclusions:
https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2017/09/the-larry-warren-controversy-part-22.html.
He compares Larry's case to the Roswell Slides when I detail in the background
links below how that is totally unfair. He says the UFO community will be furious
when they find out that Gary and others, which includes myself of course, are
trying to con them. However, a full house at the recent UFO Truth Magazine
conference in Holmfirth would suggest otherwise, see here for details: (coming
soon). Pope's defamation reaches a new nadir when he states that
Gary
has a "problem with women", in other words: misogyny. In this day and
age such an accusation is only one notch up from paedophilia or terrorism; and
I consider this a slanderous attack on
Gary's
character. No doubt Pope includes me in this, being the other principle Larry
Warren researcher. He says that
Gary
is only out to "make a buck" off the UFO community and I suppose he thinks
that is original... He also then adds Larry to the list of women-haters along
with reiterating the nasty slur Col. Halt mentioned in 2014, that Larry is a
drug addict. He also calls him an alcoholic. Like Peter Robbins, he passes
judgement on Larry's living arrangements with Sacha Christie, when he was not
there and so does not know a thing about what really went on. And surely there
is no need for me to discredit the memorabilia and threats again. They are a
lie and I've explained why so many times in my Larry Warren research project.
In the last part of his interview Nick states which UFO events he thinks are
truly unexplained and then Alyson asks if humans are ready for ET contact. He
answers "yes and no." He then gives his own view of how Disclosure
would affect the world and human society. I feel quite horrified by Nick Pope's
conduct during this interview. What he said about Larry Warren is merely what
he has repeated before, or rather what Sacha Christie has repeated before.
However I have never heard him smear Gary Heseltine on such a vicious personal
level. He clearly means me too when he says "and others" several
times. I would like to think that the UFO community would recoil from Pope in
the same way I feel like doing as a result of his wickedness, but I've
discovered to my dismay that this community suffers from endemic indifference,
see here for details:
https://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.com/2017/12/is-there-any-hope.html.
Clearly Sacha Christie is not a government disinformer. She is simply motivated
by a personal grudge. However she may have inadvertently hit the right note,
the one that the government want to amplify. I think this explains the interference
of Nick Pope.