Wednesday 5 December 2012

Hollie Greig- Real or Fake?


The Hollie Greig campaign has probably been the most significant single issue in the entire Truth Movement. For several years it was the pivot around which everything else we did revolved. Every conference and event had speakers, stalls, fliers, literature and DVD's on this subject. There were a whole series of YouTube channels set up and a massive number of street protests leafleting and other forms of activism by "Hollie's Army". "Google Hollie Greig" became the motto of this campaign and somebody even made a trailer billboard and drove around with that on it. I myself was involved in it, as has been almost everybody who has had any contact at all with the Truth community for the last few years. The story of how an innocent young Down's Syndrome girl was targeted by a gang of ruthless paedophiles entwined right into the heart of the Scottish establishment was exactly the kind of thing we know is going on but had never before been able to prove it. Who could fail to be moved into action by such a tale? Here's one of the places where I've written about it: http://hpanwo.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/alternative-view-4-part-5.html
 
However about a year ago this situation changed. A group of people, mostly from within the Truth Movement, and many of them former Hollie campaign militants, came together and made a shocking announcement: The whole Hollie Greig story was a fraud. It had been concocted by Anne Greig and believed blindly by Robert Green, Brian Gerrish, Belinda McKenzie and everybody else; that includes myself. The initial reaction to this was outrage and indignation, however slowly but surely, this cluster of sceptics has grown. Here's the main sceptics' website: http://www.theholliegreigcoverup.net/ . This site contains a detailed resource of all the criticisms the sceptics have with the official Hollie Greig story. Here are some videoes hosting and discussing the Hollie Greig Hoax group: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yCKR2Aqo8g and: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSxOrwg5ejM and: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSSDqOSIJww Some of these videoes feature interviews with those accused by Hollie's campaign. There is a lot of rhetoric here amidst the information, which always makes me wary; for example the people in these videoes make auxiliary accusations against Belinda, Brian and some of the other people involved, inappropriately I think. One individual, Badda Bing, does little else but produce rhetoric! See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxh8zSqcRRY However, those who reject these hoax allegations have also made me suspicious because they been very slow to respond indeed and have done so only partially. See here from 1.08.40: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qToSbtVmek and here Belinda McKenzie indirectly answers some of the Hollie Greig Hoax Group's points: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5P_LGym7g
 
This situation has made me very confused. A lot of people have asked me what I think and to be quite honest I don't know what to think; I'm not sure what is what right now. If the Hoax Group turn out to be right then we in the Truth Movement have made a terrible mistake, but if this is the case then it's one we have to own up to and deal with. But if they're wrong, then a very clever and well-organized disinformation psy-op, probably connected to the people trying to cover up the institutional abuse of children, has been played on us and we've fallen for it. It's a call we can't afford to get wrong. The dilemma involved is that on the one hand we could be allowing ourselves to be into fooled into letting state-sanctioned paedophiles go free to harm even more children and devastate even more lives. But on the other we could be faced with the fact that we're accusing innocent people of being child-abusers; these people might be attacked themselves because they heard it from us! The only solution therefore is for the two sides to come together and engage in an open, live and public debate. So far this has not happened; to their credit, the Hoax side have been the ones most forward in that respect, but occasionally the Hollie campaign have been willing to share a room with them, see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRC89GF6QLw . I would like to make a formal offer to be chairman of that debate. I think I'm the ideal man for the job because I'm completely undecided and therefore impartial; but also I served for twenty-three years as a Hospital Porter in a major teaching hospital and have been trained in, and have a lot of experience with, dealing with angry confrontations. And angry confrontations will inevitably be a part of this hypothetical debate. I have contacted both factions with my offer and we'll see what happens. One trope the Skeptics always use is the "conspiracy theorists are not interested in evidence!" Well I think this proves that we are! Unless this debate becomes more than hypothetical then I don't see how we can possibly move forward on this issue, and this is going to affect our credibility across the board and hamper everything else we do. Some come together, guys! Let's talk!
(Edit- 10/12/12: I've had a reply: http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-hollie-greig-debate-replies-to-my.html)

14 comments:

essy111 said...

Brilliant Ben I think you have the right answer on this

Ben Emlyn-Jones said...

Thanks, Heidi. Hope so. The Hoax Group have got back to me and are willing. HDJ have yet to respond.

Anonymous said...

You are certainly the ideal man for the job Ben. Hope this matter is resolved before the world ends on December 21.

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Ben Emlyn-Jones said...

No wonder the last two commenters are anonymous.

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cherry said...

Ah Ben, seems the holly hoax group are now targeting you, despite your reasoned and very impartial statement. Ignore James he is a little nobody, who has nothing better to do than attack others who are actually trying to help the world, rather than sitting on their arses slagging off others behind the anonymity of a key board like he does. For your information James, Ben is very well known and respected amongst the truther community, crawl back into your sad little hole, you vindictive, sad little man

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Ben Emlyn-Jones said...

Thanks for your support, Cherry! "James" is even more of a nothing than you realize. He is part of Team Droike, a group of tolls who have been harassing me for the best part of 6 years.

Ben Emlyn-Jones said...

I said "tolls", I mean trolls, sorry. I've had to ban them from the HPANWO Forum more times than I can count. This is why they now pursue me in the comments boxes.

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Anonymous said...

any debate will probably end in chaos

both parties would have to agree to a mediator and be kept well apart negating both sides

a full and impartial public inquiry would be the solution