Richard D Hall has produced a programme in his
Richplanet TV series about David Icke
and the notion that the ruling classes of the world are not really human and
are in fact shape-shifting reptilians. He invites onto the show his regular
collaborator Andrew Johnson, one of the few people in the conspirasphere he
appears to trust, and they discuss David Icke together, see:
http://www.richplanet.net/starship_main.php?ref=231&part=1.
David Icke is one of the most prominent figures in the Truth movement. He was
originally a famous TV sports journalist until the early 1990's when he had a
spiritual emergence crisis which turned his former life upside down. By the
late 1990's he had reestablished himself as an author and lecturer on
conspiratorial and spiritual matters. Richard and Andrew speak appreciatively
about David's early years; and indeed what David said and did in those days was
instrumental in my own process of becoming conspiratorially-aware. It was in
1999 and 2000 that David's pathway changed yet again when he first spoke openly
about what he believed was the true nature of the Illuminati elite in his book
The Biggest Secret. His ideas came from
multiple sources, but the most important was a woman who goes by several names,
but is most often known as Arizona Wilder. She approached David and told him
that she was the subject of a mind control programme and a Satanic "mother
goddess" who served the British Royal family. However there were major
flaws in her testimony and I was active on the original David Icke Forum when
the argument blew up between Ivan Fraser and his friends and the rest of the
membership. I didn't believe Ivan at the time, but on reflection I think he was
right, see:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=154.
Ivan wrote for Dave Starbuck's Truthseeker website and Dave Starbuck has always
resented David Icke because Icke has never credited him for first introducing
him to conspiratorial ideas in 1993. The "man from
Hull
with the blue plastic bags" was Dave Starbuck, see:
https://youtu.be/bagTbARQajo?t=29m59s.
I think it's only fair that David should name Dave as his source, but he
doesn't do that. The same can be said for Bill Cooper, who also never got on
with David because David drew on a lot of his work anonymously. The good news
is that I think David has come round and denounced his previous association
with Arizona Wilder; but it's difficult to be sure because, as always, he
changes his mind quietly and never admits it openly. You can't buy
Revelations of a Mother Goddess on his
website any more and you can only watch it on old second hand VHS tapes or
online, see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfgeDgfk0iE.
By this stage in the programme Richard and Andrew were already hinting that the
whole reptilian angle was a piece of disinformation. There's no doubt that
there is a lot of disinformation when it comes to this subject, like there is
many others, but does this mean the reptilians do not exist?
In the late 1990's David worked closely with a man called
Brian Desborough. It was Brian who introduced him to Arizona Wilder. Richard
and Andrew are suspicious of Desborough, however there is more to Brian
Desborough than simply an enabler of David Icke. He is a researcher in his own
right who deals with free energy, covert technology and secret science, a lot
of the same areas of interest as myself, Richard and Andrew. He has written two
excellent books,
Blueprint for a Better
World and
They Cast No Shadows, and
some blog articles, see:
http://www.briansbetterworld.com/.
Another source of David's information on the reptilian agenda comes from Credo
Mutwa, a Zulu shaman from
South Africa
who contacted David while he was on tour there are they recorded two long interviews,
see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfJzDVM3j9Y.
This introduces an important point: the reptilians are not a new idea; in fact
the concept of reptilians in human form is a perennial one. It can be found all
over the world in different cultures and dates back to ancient times. David is
not even the first person to address the issue in the modern world. Cathy O'Brien
says she saw the President of Mexico, Miguel de la Madrid, shape-shift in front
of her. She dismissed this as another hallucination from her mind control, but
was it? Richard criticized David's skills in interviewing and Richard and Andrew also
make the point that Credo can turn off the charm at times, like he recently did
to Michael Tellinger; but this does not discredit Credo's information
necessarily. Another interesting thing about Credo Mutwa is that he says he underwent
an alien abduction in 1959 that was very similar to that of Antonio Villas Boas
two years earlier, see:
http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/ufo-truth-magazine-issue-18.html.
Credo Mutwa has been around a long time. I've read some of his books, some of
which he wrote in the 1960's. Lyall Watson carried out an interview with Credo for
his 1982 book
Lightning Bird, which
was about the adventures of Adrian Boshier, a British man who went native in
traditional African cultures. The legends of the Archons is very similar to
that of the reptilians. Researchers like John Lash talk about it in much more
detail than Icke. The idea of reptilians is far deeper and more complex than
Richard and Andrew relate in the above episode of
Richplanet TV. I recently hosted the REPCON conference in which a
series of speakers discussed the subject for an entire day. Also listen to this
HPANWO Radio interview with Chris Turner, organizer of REPCON and director of
the film
Don't Mention the Reptilians,
see:
http://hpanwo-radio.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/programme-180-podcast-chris-turner.html.
A legitimate concern Richard and Andrew have is how reptilians are such a huge
red pill to swallow that it might stick in some people's throats when it's
mixed with other subjects. They play a clip from a recent BBC interview with
David Icke on the
This Week political
TV talk show. The host, Andrew Neil, asks David about his views on 9/11 and
other conspiracies, then manages to slip in the lizards in the hope of
discrediting all the other things David talks about, see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmx7jQT-TIU.
I do realize how difficult this situation can be and you have to be sensitive when
presenting alternative information to somebody who has never been exposed to it
before. However, David did not raise the subject of the reptilians, Andrew Neil
did. David was asked a direct question and he gave a direct answer. Was he
supposed to lie and say "no"? The facts cannot be put aside for the
sake of popularity. If the reptilians are real, then they're real. I understand
Richard and Andrew's misgivings and if I were in a conversation with somebody
about 9/11 I would not volunteer any information about the lizards; but if
somebody asks me directly, I shall answer honestly. Then Richard and Andrew
bring up a subject about which I completely share their reservations; David
Icke's attitude to 9/11. David has been informed about the work of Dr Judy
Wood. Andrew talked face-to-face about it with David at a one-to-one meeting in
2008. However David does not appear to have taken on board the seriousness of
the situation and has instead fallen into 9/11 populism. He was on
The Richie Allen Show and he said:
"All we need to agree on about 9/11 is
that it was created on purpose to provide the excuse for what has followed.
That's all we need to agree on. We don't need to agree on whether this substance
brought the towers down, or these energy weapons. That might be interesting,
but we don't need to agree on that; we don't need to argue over it. We don't
need to come into conflict over it, like children... Let's move on!"
This is a big mistake. Knowing how 9/11 was carried out is essential to
uncovering who did it and why. If we are led up a blind alley into false
narratives about rigging the buildings with explosives or using thermite, then
we'll become confused and doubtful. When we see these fables disproved we may
even be drawn back into the official story... That's the idea I think. David
must understand the need for clarity over the mechanism of the attacks and he
must speak out against falsehood. It's not enough simply to agree it was an
inside job and that's that. See Richard and Andrew's other dialogues on
Richplanet TV for more details, and my
own background links below. Ironically
The
Biggest Secret has an excellent chapter on the death of Princess Diana in
which David shows a lot of respect for the need for evidence. The biggest piece
of disinformation about the reptilians, in my view, comes from something not
mentioned in the programme, but it's from a suspicious person who Richard has alerted
us to before over the crop circle matter; Jon Ronson. In 2001 Ronson produced
an utterly abysmal documentary about David Icke called
The Lizards and the Jews which specifically avoided any of David's
serious ideas and focused of a gaggle of foolish young people, the type who are
today known as "social justice warriors", and their campaign to
destroy David's reputation in Canada because they think when David says "lizards
secretly rule the world", he's using code and he really means "Jews
secretly rule the world". This is not true, yet Ronson dedicated the entire
fifty-minute programme to that most stupid of questions, see:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2ypYcZ7qfw.
I think David means well, yet he has allowed himself to be misled, perhaps by
collaborating with the wrong kind of people. In fact
The People's Voice debacle is a sad example of how those who
pretend to be his comrades in reality plan his downfall. Richard and Andrew
have always operated independently, as do I. Perhaps David should just stick to
his own thing from now on. However, there is a case to answer when it comes to
the reptilians and David was right to bring that up. Thanks to Richard D Hall and
Andrew Johnson for a most interesting discussion.
