Edward Snowden with Joe Rogan

Edward Snowden has appeared on the controversial talk radio show The Joe Rogan Experience. In 2013 the former intelligence officer and contractor to the National Security Agency revealed a huge number of classified documents relating to electronic surveillance of innocent citizens, not only in the United States of America, but across the world; see background links below. He contacted the journalist Glenn Greenwald (Not to be confused with John Greenewald of The Black Vault) and the two worked secretly at first. Then the information from Snowden was published by Wikileaks and in several newspapers. In May 2013 Snowden did a Kim Philby and defected to avoid facing prosecution as a spy. He first travelled to Hong Kong China where he remained until his possible extradition to the United States was tabled, then he moved on to Russia. His original destination was Ecuador, the same country that was harbouring Julian Assange, but the Americans put pressure on other countries on the route of his journey to prevent Snowden travelling through their airspace, so the fugitive was stuck in Russia where he was eventually granted political asylum. His actions have made him a popular hero with civil rights campaigners in the same league as Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning. However, does he deserve this accolade? The interview with Joe Rogan is as interesting and entertaining as all of Rogan's programmes, but the testimony of his guest raises some concerns for me. At the nine-minute mark he makes reference to a counterterrorism operation called Stellar Wind which was designed to look for Al-Qaeda sleeper cells in the USA "in the wake of 9/11". However Al-Qaeda had nothing to do with 9/11, as I and many others have demonstrated, for example see: https://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.com/2018/01/free-energy-and-911-reply-to-steve.html. At about twenty-three minutes into the interview Snowden recalls his own memories of 9/11 when he was a new intelligence recruit. He says: "I'm at Fort Meade (the NSA headquarters) when 9/11 happens... What people forget is: who knew what was going on before anybody else on September 11th? The intelligence community, right? What did they do? Did they get out a public warning? Did they tell you guys to evacuate? Did they say do this, that, or the other? No, no, not for everybody, not for a long time; but at the NSA the Director ordered the entire campus evacuated of thousands, tens of thousands of people actually. He just said, 'Go home.' The CIA did the same thing." So Snowden explains how the intelligence community had foreknowledge of 9/11, but how? Surely NORAD and the US Air Force must have been the first, wouldn't they? The obvious answer is because the intelligence organizations were directly involved. If somebody knows a crime is about to be committed, then doesn't this make them the prime suspect? Not according to Edward. He explains it as: "They (The NSA and CIA) were running on skeleton crews at the moment the country needed them more than they ever had... I'm like, 'This is crazy! It never closes down.' We don't know what's happening. Then we start checking the news, which is through websites because we're doing all this stuff and, suddenly, it's the big story everywhere. You know, nobody understands how big it is yet." This is a ridiculous excuse. The nation's major intelligence agencies with an annual budget of two-figure billions just happen to be looking the other way? Pull the other one! How can Snowden possibly be that naive?... He can't be; he must be lying at this point. He then moves onto other matters: "In the book (Snowden's upcoming autobiography), I talk about aliens and chemtrails and things like that and the fact that there's no evidence for that... I know, Joe, you want there to be aliens. I know Neil deGrasse Tyson badly wants there to be aliens, and there probably are; but the idea that we're hiding them… If we are hiding them, I had ridiculous access to the networks at the NSA, the CIA, the military; all these groups. I couldn't find anything so, if it's hidden, and it could be hidden, it's hidden really damn well, even from people who are on the inside. The main thing is conspiracy theories, right? Everybody wants to believe in conspiracy theories because it helps life make sense. It helps us believe that somebody is in control, that somebody is called the shots, that these things all happen for a reason; this, that, and the other. There are real conspiracies, but they're not typically that they've got tens of thousands of people working on them... I think there's four million people in the United States who hold security clearances, and you can get all of these people to not talk ever to journalists or this, that, or the other." It's difficult to know what Edward Snowden's thrust is here. He makes several points. The first is that he saw no evidence at all for anything relating to extraterrestrials or chemtrails etc. He does go on to admit that such matters might be outside his sphere of access due to compartmentalization; however he then states what appears to be a series of classic skeptics' lines about deep-seated psychological needs and how large numbers of initiated people would be necessary to keep secrets of that magnitude, and that it would be impossible to make them all collude. Not true at all. As I said to Dr David Grimes, there are other factors involved connected to psychology such as tacit agreement and the Milgram Experiment; see here for detail: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2016/11/conspiracy-theories-mathematically.html. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efs3QRr8LWw.

What is really going on here? Snowden could be controlled opposition. Richard D Hall is utterly convinced of this, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WSI_M15-k and: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sndPG6Hw01U. In the past I have criticized Richard for being much too hasty to slap the shill sticker onto people, and I still do; but this does not mean Richard is automatically wrong. Could Edward Snowden be a disinformer? In which case, what is the purpose of his disinformation? What thoughts and feelings is his deception implanting in the collective human mind? This is a crucial question everybody should consider when wondering if anything is disinformation or not. In this case the answer is: perhaps that the official story of 9/11 is true, that there are no aliens or geoengineering because if there were, then a top ranking CIA insider would definitely know about it, wouldn't he? Richard points to the fact that Snowden, Assange and Manning have been given essentially an unobstructed platform in the mainstream media, as opposed to people like Dr Judy Wood etc; and this can only be because the media want their information spread around; ergo it can only be false information. This is a distinct possibility. However, as I have explained before, the mainstream media doesn't always have everything it wants. Not everything goes the government's way; especially in the last three years, see: https://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.com/2019/03/why-2016-matters.html. The whistle blowing trio's rise to stardom might be a "post-2016 cock-up", something the government really did not want to happen, but were unable to prevent. I'm pretty convinced that Snowden is lying in his interview with Joe Rogan, but his deceit could be of a different nature to the obvious one, that of simple factual disinformation. It is no secret that he has not published all the classified files he has extracted from the NSA and CIA database. Is he keeping some of them back in order to stay alive? Maybe he has to make a coded phone call to somebody every two hours and if he doesn't then these files hit the Net. In which case, I wonder what is in them? Possibly information about the very topics he ridicules in the interview; aliens, chemtrails, 9/11 conspiracies. Maybe something else that the government can't risk being published. If that it the situation then who would dare assassinate him? In Snowden's position it is understandable that he would do something like this and I sympathize with his plight; but at some point he has to find a way to disseminate these files to the people because the world needs to know.

See here for background: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2015/10/assange-and-snowden-latest-bombshells.html.

And: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2014/01/edward-snowden-ufo-disclosure.html.

And: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2014/05/new-edward-snowden-interview.html.

And: https://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-end-of-whistleblower-hunting.html.

And: https://hpanwo.blogspot.com/2015/04/richplanet-2015-tour.html.