Hollie Greig Hoax Group at Inspired by Icke

The Hollie Greig Hoax Group have spoken at the Inspired by David Icke discussion group, formerly known as the London David Icke Discussion Group, see: http://www.meetup.com/Inspired-By-David-Icke-London-Discussion-Group/ (I myself have spoken there too, see: http://hpanwo-tv.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/ben-emlyn-jones-live-at-ldidg.html) This event was the brainchild of my friend and fellow researcher Heidi King and I'm glad her idea was endorsed; I was there, and I think this event will go down in the history of the group as one of their classics.

See here for important background: http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/hollie-greig-real-or-fake.html. Belinda McKenzie and the other members of Hollie Demands Justice were invited to attend, but declined. She agreed to meet up with some friends of mine before the event at another location, but she failed to turn up. This did not surprise me, as I have made similar requests to HDJ in attempt to clear up this issue with an open debate and I was snidely and sarcastically pushed aside, as you'll see in the background link. Instead I arranged to host a round table interview with the Hollie Greig Hoax group on HPANWO Radio and this went ahead in January: http://hpanwo-radio.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/programme-28-podcast-hollie-greig-hoax.html. Since then the HDJ people have still refused to agree to a proper debate and have only replied in unilateral publications which include a lot of rhetoric and the same kind of personal nastiness I myself experienced; only it often got far worse: "paedophile protector" and "MI5 agent" are some of the epithets hurled at their opponents. Also a few days before, a number of emails were sent to people, including myself, laced with ludicrous legal threats, moral blackmail and third party insinuations aimed at dissuading anybody thinking of attending the event. Luckily it didn't seem to work; the function room above The George pub on The Strand in London was packed out. But while we were waiting for the event to begin, a woman sneaked in furtively and handed out fliers to the audience before hurriedly leaving. These fliers were a list of questions for the speakers; most of them concern Sylvia Major's private life, alleged marital strife and her relationship to various children's charities; how are these relevant to the subject at hand? If they are relevant then why doesn't HDJ come to the event and explain why? One of the questions asked why the Hoax Group accepted an invitation to speak at a meeting in which people believed in "the New World Order", "shape-shifting lizards" and that "9/11 was an inside job". I'm surprised to hear this coming from HDJ when they themselves profess to be a part of the Truth Movement and endorsed a lot of these ideas themselves. I remember that Belinda McKenzie herself regularly attended the Inspired by David Icke group a couple of years ago when it was just an informal gathering in the public bar downstairs. It's a shame because I used to admire Belinda deeply; I considered her a heroine of the Truth Movement and a saviour of all the millions of children living lives of Hell on Earth in this world, see: http://hpanwo.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/british-humanist-association-conspiracy.html

I can't say too much about the proceedings of the event because the organizer, Cathy, asked us not to record or film, and to keep any notes we made confidential. But basically it consisted of a question-and-answer session from the audience. Of the four members of the group I interviewed on HPANWO Radio, three of them were there in person, Rachel, Sarah and Sylvia; Rachel and Sarah did almost all the talking. It immediately became apparent that many people there were still sympathetic to HDJ and very suspicious of the Hoax Group's case. There were some well-versed points put forward for the speakers which Rachel and Sarah answered cogently and in detail. It wasn't long before the Q and A became a debate between audience members too, and this escalated into a fairly heated argument. Occasionally the tone became vitriolic. One female audience-member, enraged to the point of tears, derided Rachel and Sarah for "betraying their fellow women" by daring to question a rape allegation. I've spoken before about the political incorrectness of this subject, see: http://hpanwo-voice.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/julian-assange-at-ecuador-embassy.html. In this case however one of the speakers answered by explaining how she herself had been sexually abused and knew exactly how Hollie would have felt had she really been a true victim in this way. At one point the debate descended into the realms of absurdity. A questioner mispronounced Brian Gerrish's surname "Garish" and somebody very indignantly challenged them and demanded that they pronounce it properly. Why? What difference does it make to her point? I found it strange that such a fuss would be made over the length of a single vowel. For me, this discussion was the final nail in the coffin for the Hollie Demands Justice campaign's argument: the use of ad hominem accusations, personal criticism and appeal to the emotions, together with substituting angry comments about irrelevant trivia in place of logical persuasion, is a sure sign that their theory has no foundation to stand on. And I repeat: HDJ will not sit down and address the Hoax Group's questions openly and rationally in a public debate.

The speakers said right at the start: "The Hollie Greig case is dead", and they're right. Rachel and Sarah are not Skeptics either; they explained that they are Truthers themselves who agree that 9/11 was an inside job and understand that the institutional mass-abuse of children does indeed go on. What the Hollie Greig case has done is give us a big wake-up call to our own failings and weaknesses. We've wasted an incalculable amount of time and energy chasing a mirage. It's painful to imagine what we might have achieved if we hadn't been so distracted by this delusion and focused on the genuine victims of abuse. Could we have had the satisfaction of seeing Jimmy Savile apprehended and disgraced during his lifetime, instead of being rescued by the grave as he was? And what harm have we done to the reputations of innocent people!? I've publicly apologized to Sylvia and Wyn, as have the Hoax Group of course, and those ladies have been very gracious and forgiving. I also apologize to Sheriff Buchanan and everybody else we've smeared. But there is material permanently preserved in the caches of the Internet containing these attacks against their characters. And what about the central figure in this escapade of folly: Hollie Greig herself? She's a vulnerable young woman with learning difficulties; how has this affected her? We must not make this mistake again!

I'm very glad to see that the Hollie Greig case does seem to be slipping away now. Most people in the Truth community just don't talk about it any more, and a growing number of people are now out of the closet in agreeing that is was a hoax. As far as HDJ goes, there are today just a small band of loyalists left, centred around Belinda. At a recent protest Belinda carried out at the BBC, to mark Hollie's thirtieth birthday, she had eight people with her; two years ago she'd have rustled up hundreds. The question is now: how long will it be before it makes its final exit? And what can we do to protect Sylvia and Wyn while the remnants of the HDJ campaign continue to publish their propaganda? I think the answer is what we're doing right now; holding events like the one yesterday. I admired Sarah and Rachel very much for their brave and dignified stance at this very belligerent and confrontational meeting; Sylvia too, a relative of Hollie and one of the accused, for travelling all the way from Scotland to address the group and clear her name. Thanks also to Cathy and everybody else who organized the event. As I write these words I'm also preparing to interview Kevin Annett for HPANWO Radio; and that's another thing we can do: get on with our work in freeing children by exposing the real truth!